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Dan

Hi PW. Thanks for the heads up - I hope they both make a big splash.

On the new color scheme, a jazz musician once said "When I hit a wrong note, I immediately hit it ten more times so people think it was intentional."

I'm still mulling over your comment on PS. If you had to choose between partial justice with partial truth or no justice with full truth, which would you pick? Hmmm.....

JL

"If you had to choose between partial justice with partial truth or no justice with full truth, which would you pick"?

Personally speaking, it'd be full truth with no justice.

The printing press was just the beginning.

not completely useless

The other day I saw the phrase "the privatization of profit and the socialization of loss". Seems to describe the current situation pretty well.

PW

I'm beginning to think your justice/truth question, Dan, will be answered differently not so much according to political theory or the values of a particular society but according to personal experience. My immediate response to your question was "truth, of course!" Why? Because lately serial lying has been more (personally) frustrating than the uneven application of punishment. And probably because I figure truth eventually brings justice. And maybe because I've gotten frustrated by the either/or thinking which is almost as prevalent on "my" side as among the perps.

Yeah, Not Completely. That sums up the situation just fine!

Dan

"truth eventually brings justice" - probably in an oblique way, anyway: A full airing will probably totally destroy the reputations of those involved and maybe prompt action to guard against a repeat in the future, but the idea of those who have committed crimes just walking away is really hard for me to take.

PW

Me too. But I'm not convinced they will walk away. Further thought on this makes me realize I see truth and justice are very closely related. You can't have the second unless you've established the first. Of course, truth isn't very popular right now in the US, not compared to "narrative" and "gut feeling" and political correctness and "faith." The Constitution is so boring and "quaint" compared to all that. So the real trick is not only to get the truth out but to get it believed, respected and acted on. Impeachment and conviction would only harden those who support Bush unless they, too, are persuaded that justice has been done. Let's not forget the Republicans helped expose Nixon and push him out.

Nuremberg was immensely important but it took place long after a helluva lot of damage had been done. Ditto SA's truth commissions.

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