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Will Divide

McCain is going to get beaten like a gong, like a government mule, like a red-headed step child. Talking about "The Age of Bush" misunderstands what is happening. This is not a phase and our squalid little president is not to blame (or at least the blame is not centered on him.) We are witnessing a complete cultural collapse of the GOP, the climax of a generation, or two, of corrupt practice by incompetent men in service of very poor ideas.

The only thing I can say in their defense is that they only wanted what their fathers had, and truly did not think things could get this bad.

The GOP succeeded because times were mainly good for most people and the media collected good money for playing along. All that is changed now.

PW

Well, as I learned living in a rural area in Texas, things are a tad more complicated than that. That's why I included the survey info from the Center for Rural Strategies. I have ranch and farm neighbors -- nice, normal people, volunteers at hospice and for the high school choral society etc. -- who really believe Democrats are demons. I don't think the left could possibly overestimate the damage done to us starting back in Reagan days. Democrats are on a level (not exaggerating, not much anyway) with people who sodomize small children. I don't think there will be a dramatic change until Democrats understand and cope with this stuff. Exceptions: both Dean and Obama have been admired because, well, they're not like "those" Dems!

Will Divide

First I'd say your neighbors are among the lucky ones to have kept the farms (there was one in the Divide family that went on the block three years ago). A lot of good people like them in the midwest have been smacked sideways.

Second, though not to discount them, I submit that your neighbors are part of what was once a broad demographic (you said it yourself, from "back in Reagan days") that just does not deliver votes in nearly the numbers it used to, and will deliver fewer and fewer each cycle.

Down the list of GOP woes, but inescapable, is that the true believers are dying off.

PW

We've been having huge election turnout numbers lately and most of these people call themselves "conservatives" when they feel Bush or whoever has gone too far.

I was not surprised at the Dem turnout -- enormous -- but very surprised when the Rep turnout was huge, too. As I've noted before, some Republicans voted for Obama out of personal choice while some boasted openly in the polling places that they were voting on Limbaugh's orders for Hillary. We not only have good coverage of this stuff in the local paper, but I'm friends with the local Dem leadership so I hear a lot of other insights into precinct by precinct voting behaviors.

Have no idea how typical all this is. Probably not. We live in a very prosperous county, very hard-working and upbeat, with an unusual amount of civic involvement. The county commissioners are solid Rep. The county seat's city council is much more liberal, diverse.

As this prairie conservation nut travels north from here, into the TX panhandle, west OK and KS, it's easy to see the economic picture changes a lot, a whole lot. There are places in western OK that are heartbreaking. So I know whereof you speak!

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