This conversation between interviewer Bob Garfield and Joe Mullin, tech editor of Ars Technica, was aired a few days ago by WNYC's "On the Media."
BOB GARFIELD: On Wednesday, journalists discovered that Snowden was an avid poster on Ars Technica’s
user forums. For more than ten years, he corresponded under the name
"The TrueHOOHA,” a handle he’d used elsewhere online, as well. Mullin
has been reading Snowden's posts, which, taken as a whole, trace the
thinking of a precocious teenager into a tech savvy geek, into an
opinionated adult, seeking and offering help along the way. From the
beginning, Mullin says, Snowden seemed at home in the Ars tribe. It's a place where “nerd” isn’t exactly an epithet.
JOE MULLIN: He
definitely self-identified as a nerd. He was proud of it. He talked
about how he wanted to make a gamer name for himself and that that gamer
name would be “WolfkingAwesomefox.” And he wanted other gamers to do it
too. He wanted to learn how to surf the Internet anonymously. He wanted
to learn how to build a Web server.
BOB GARFIELD: And
he posted on things that really had nothing to do with technology. Can
you give me a small sampling of what you ran across as you went back to
the writings of the "The TrueHOOHA”?
JOE MULLIN: Sure.
He joined our forums in 2001 when he could have been about 17,
according to the timeline we have. As early as 2003, he was talking with
one of our writers and our editor-in-chief Ken Fisher, and he was
talking about his own agnosticism and sort of the nature of freedom,
waxing philosophical.
BOB GARFIELD: But he also gave some clues as to his view of the emerging security state. Can you give me some examples?
JOE MULLIN: As
early as 2006, he would make jokes. There was a user on a forum who was
asking about a strange noise that his Xbox 360 gaming console was
making, and Snowden, as “HOOHA” said, oh, that’s the NSA’s new
surveillance program. And, of course, now we know he was probably
working in the government in some capacity at that time. So he was sort
of making jokes with our users about the government watching you, while
he was working for the government.
In 2010, Snowden sort of responded to another Ars user’s
question about a piece of equipment built by Cisco. There was a
discussion about a security flaw in a piece of Cisco equipment. The flaw
was related to a backdoor that had been built so that the government
could use this equipment for wiretapping, in some sense. He wrote, “It
really concerns me how little this sort of corporate behavior bothers
those outside of technology circles. Society seems to have developed an
unquestioning obedience towards spooky types.”
BOB GARFIELD: It
pains me and almost shames me to ask you this question, but having read
all this stuff, have you seen anything that would answer, for anybody
who’s asked ‘til now, Ed Snowden, hero or villain? And, by the way, does
it matter?
JOE MULLIN: I think people who look at his history on Ars and
the many statements he left on our site are gonna see someone who comes
off as a pretty regular guy. He was a young guy who sometimes said
stuff that was off the cuff about girls and about what he was into.
But,
I think for the half of the country that sees him as a hero, it is
gonna humanize him and it doesn't make him look like a bad guy. And for
the half of the country that sees him as a villain, I don’t know that
it’ll necessarily change their minds either.
BOB GARFIELD: There
is one thing I do have to ask you about this. Edward Snowden wasn’t
writing under the name Edward Snowden. He was using this handle "The
TrueHOOHA.” And he's been kind of outed. [LAUGHS] It’s – there’s, I
guess, some irony in the fact that he wished to remain anonymous and
through forces beyond his control no longer is. It's almost too pat.
Have have given that any thought?
JOE MULLIN: We certainly have. You know, Snowden was a person who
knew what he was doing and was prepared for a blizzard of publicity
about him, once he leaked. You know, while he was anonymous, I think the
Edward Snowden today absolutely knows that he has an online life - he
had a life for over a decade – and that people are going to notice it
and that the media is going to see it and that the government will also
see it.
You
know, he wasn’t that anonymous, when you look at what he posted on Ars.
He gave so much detail about his life – his age, his employer, where he
was living at different times, different jobs he’s had, and then he
also posted photos of himself. So we have Ars members that keep a very low profile, and he really wasn’t one of them!